UPDATED: Adult Film Actress Won't Be Allowed to Attend Tartan Prom
A Tartan High School student used Twitter to ask adult film actresses to be his date for prom, and one agreed.
A Tartan High School student who used Twitter to find an adult film actress to go to prom with him May 12 won't be allowed to bring the woman to the dance, according to a statement released by the school. The statement says:
"It has been reported in the national news that a Tartan student has invited a porn star to attend prom and she has accepted his invitation, subject to his paying for her airfare to Minnesota. However, this prom date will not be allowed to attend the Tartan prom as her attendance would be prohibited under Tartan’s standard prom procedures and would be inconsistent with two school district policies, E-077 (Visitors to School District Buildings and Sites) and E-084 (School Sponsored Student Publications and Activities)."
The student, Mike Stone, told the Pioneer Press that, "My mom was a little mad, but my dad is OK with it."
He has been trying to raise money through his Twitter page to fly his date to Minnesota for the event.
Adult film actress Megan Piper, 19, who had agreed to go to prom with Stone, said the date’s probably off based on the reaction from the school and a news report that his mom was embarrassed by his actions, in an interview Wednesday, March 22.
“If I was a parent, I don’t really know what I would think,” she said. “Right now, I’m just trying to wait and see, but from the looks of it, it doesn’t look like I’ll be going.”
Piper said she has received offers from travel agencies to book and pay for her airfare from Los Angeles to Minnesota, and she’s been getting feedback from all over the world.
“Everybody loves this story,” she said. “They think it was really cute.”
Stone is not giving up on his big night.
He told the Pioneer Press that he's considering organizing a competing prom at a hotel down the street from Tartan's prom location—the Landmark Center.
Jim
2:09 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Well, I'm glad that the establishment has put the kibosh on the idea of this legal adult taking his date to a well-lit, supervised, public event. In lieu of being welcome at Prom, they'll just have to find some other way to occupy themselves. I'm sure they'll find something to do.
Great move, School!
Christopher Campbell
2:42 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Jim, I sense sarcasm in your post. Although he is a legal adult as is she, the event is not public. It is a private event for Tartan High students only. As a private event, the school can dictate the rules as to whether non-high school students can or can not attend.
HHF34
3:00 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Most proms are open to students and their dates, regardless of the date's attendance at the school proper or graduated status (this coming from working the "after prom" circuit for years, it is not unusual at all for dates to come from outside the school district though they are in small numbers, usually one to ten per event was common)
James Hamilton
4:13 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
There are limits on the school's powers, Christopher. They seem be pushing those limits here, IMO. The bottom line is that they don't want the young man bringing this young woman, or any other woman in her line of work, because they don't like the way she exercises her first amendment rights. Would they bar him from bringing a mainstream actress? Would they bar him from bringing a controversial political figure?
Jim
10:02 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Christopher: I meant "public" as in, "in a public place." Y'know...like a PUBLIC SCHOOL. Whether or not the event itself is "private" is insignificant to the argument, being as it's still being held IN PUBLIC. Which was sort of the point. Because, as we all know: When safe, sanctioned, supervised events are taken away from students, they NEVER, EVER choose alternate activities to occupy themselves with. Especially not activities that parents and communities would probably rather they DIDN'T undertake.
But feel free to read selectively if you think it helps to support your point. I guess I'll just spell it out for everyone else.
HHF34
2:55 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Just reading through the actual policy cited, it sounds like the makings for the lad to have a legit lawsuit because of the subjectiveness of "if the visit is not in the best interest of students, employees or the school district"... So not being allowed to attend prom w/o a date or attend knowing he's been rejected by every eligible female in the school is more "in his best interest"..
Patty Busse
4:05 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Josh, I had to remove your comment due to profanity—but feel free to repost it without the profanity if you'd like.
James Hamilton
4:05 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Really? The policies relied upon can be found here:
http://www.isd622.org/22381042614353560/lib/22381042614353560/_files/E-077VisitorstoSchoolDistrictBuildingsandSites.pdf
and
http://www.isd622.org/22381042614353560/lib/22381042614353560/_files/E-084SchoolSponsoredStudentPublicationsandActivities.pdf
The apparent basis for applying E-077 is doubtful:
"An individual or group may be denied permission to visit a school or school property or such permission may be revoked if the visitor(s) does not comply with the school district procedures and regulations or if the visit is not in the best interest of students, employees or the school district."
Apparently, dating a young woman who exercises her first amendment rights in a controversial fashion is considered to conflict with someone's best interests, as seen by the school.
The attempted application of E-084 is even more puzzling, but space considerations don't permit me to reproduce that here. Perhaps the district feels that her attendance would run afoul of this provision: "advertises or promotes any product or service not permitted for minors by law."
Joe LaBelle
4:23 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
What a bunch of garbage...ruining the kids dream for prom, She isn't a criminal, he should be allowed to take whosoever he wants!!!
Jim
4:30 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
The other Jim, she looks like fun to me.
Let her roll...
Heck the boy is 18, old enough to serve in the military, old enough to pick his own mate/date.
Andrew Ziegler
5:34 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
If she is only 19, what is the problem? What about the senior girls that have boyfriends that are 21 and 22 years old? Or the Seniors that are 18 that bring dates that are still 14 or 15 years old? I graduated from Tartan and I am only upset that I didn't have this idea myself. Would it have been different if the news didn't make it publicly known?
I say let him have one night that he will probably brag about for the rest of his life.
Jim
7:13 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Agreed, and IMHO the event IS public. My taxes pay for Tartan school as a public school. Unless his date would be disruptive any more than any other guy/girl who cares.
One of daughters had a guy fly across the country for her prom, was fun and once the introductions were over the fuss was gone. Same thing at Tartan, once she was introduced and the dance started it would be another prom, unless of course the school added a brass pole to the dance, she may be a good dancer in that regard.
Christopher Campbell
9:40 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Jim,
I think you're off base about the event being public. As you and I are not current students of Tartan, we couldn't buy a ticket to the event. The event is a closed/private event for Tartan high students and their dates.
Jim
10:37 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Christopher, being a public school that allows enrolled students to attend prom with non-students the rules are the same for the non-students attending prom. This "porn star" is legally employed as an actor and is not over 20 years old like some prom dates.
IMHO ISD 622 is missing an opportunity to provide a little extended education to its studets as to how even a "porn star" is a human who has a desire to attend a prom and be treated as a human. It would also bring the porn industry home so as to allow Tartan students to see how even a "porn star" is no different than anyone else and just a kid looking for a date.
Who knows maybe this "porn star" is a kid looking for a way out of the "porn industry", and ISD 622 denies her the opportunity AND the boy the opportunity to go to prom. Think of what the "porn star" thinks of herself, she cannot attend a prom. How can a school bully a young woman like this? What if she commits suicide because of the shame dumped on her by ISD 622?
Shame on ISD 622, the USA stands for freedom for all and in this case the boy can join the military and die for the USA but cannot go to prom with his choice for a date.
This decision doesn't pass a reasonable test, IMHO.
marcus johnson
11:12 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
but all in all district 622b is not going to let this happen... let's just say dr.b does let it happen and something goes wrong??? Like kids over crowd her, it wouldn't even be a prom.. it would be more of a staring contest!!! If they don't let him do it she is still comiing anyway... the agency pornhub has offered him to pay for the tickets , dinner, limo, and hotel!!! He can still have the night and I think he willl!!!
Lori
7:07 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Hey!!! What do you know?! Men who want a porn star to come to town. That's new...oh wait...
Andy
7:52 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
This all comes down to the stance of this in terms of a moral / ethical perspective versus a legal perspective. Although I personally don't feel it woudl be right to have this woman attend the prom for various moral / ethical issues, as well as the disruption this could cause to an event meant to memorable for all attenidng high school students, I personally believe there is enough legal precedence that if this student wanted to pursue this through legal means the district would end up losing. All one needs to do is perform an internet search to see the instances where school districts have lost cases along the lines of discriminantory actions by school districts. In this case discriminating against an individual becasue of their legal profession. Although settlement amounts aren't earth shattering, the settlement then comes at the expense of taxpayers, and the education as custs come elsewhere to address the legal settlement and costs. I seriously hope the district has taken this into consideration in reaching their decision. In times of reduced educational fundings, and levy renewals I don't want to hear about legal expenses incurred as a result of making a moral decision that in the end is going to have no foot to stand on from a legal standpoint.
Simon D
9:56 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
This all just comes down to it not being in the best interest of the school. If there was no media coverage of this, there wouldn't be an issue about this woman at the prom. Because of the media coverage, the school is unprepared to properly handle all the extra attention this would necessitate. That's all the legal grounds they need for this denial of entrance. If this was kept quiet ahead of time, there would have been no rejection by the school. He could have just shown up with her without anyone knowing who she was, caused a minor stir amongst his peers and maybe we would have heard about it afterward, but because of the prepublicity, the school needs to deny this. The case would be the same if it were some girl bringing Justin Bieber as her date.
Richard
9:04 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Simon - As an employee in the legal field I tend to agree with James Hamilton and Andy. If you look at the school rules, and then look at the Minnesota Statutes supporting those rules it would be extremely difficult to legally support the statement you make that because it merely is not in the best interest of the school. Ultiamtely the student can argue he is being denied by the school district his first ammendment right of freedome of free speech. This argument has been held in gay lesbian cases, and it would be hard to argue differently. Whether the family were to decide to pursue this I would guess there would be plenty of attorneys willing to take this case on pro bono.
Simon D
11:11 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Richard, I think u r mistaking this dance for a job interview or an application for housing. 1st Ammendment rights and discrimination are not at stake here, only the decision to allow a non-student to attend this function.
Triston Richert
11:10 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Mike stone for president
Patty Busse
11:30 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I'm not a parent, so I'm asking these questions because I'm genuinely interested: If you are a parent, and this was your son, would you allow him to go through with this? Second, if your child was attending the dance, how would you feel about this? A caveat—every child is different, and my intention isn't to second-guess the parents' stance here. I'm just interested in hearing a parent's perspective.
Edward
12:19 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
" Second, if your child was attending the dance, how would you feel about this?"
My child would choose not to attend this prom because of the media circus surrounding this one couple. She's a very private person, and the chance that she might show up on a national news feed (walking into the prom, cameras rolling on all the students) would deter her from attending. The problem is that it makes one couple the "headliners" and marginalizes the other students -- this sidelines them as gawkers at the the event. Many will choose not to attend at all or seek alternate parties. My kid doesn't want to end up on Facebook shots or youtube videos or on a porn site "news" clip, and I can't say as I blame her. I wouldn't attend either.
Susan
6:48 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I have an 18 year old son. Although I wouldn't necessarily like his choice, and would take the time to explain to him the possible negative repercussions, I would let him make the decision. This is a dance - there will be socializing and dancing...they will not be shooting a porn film there.
I would also let my child attend if it was not his date. Although I do understand Renee's point, I would think (hope) that the school would be able to keep any media off the property.
I agree that the novelty would quickly wear off, and this would go back to being a regular prom.
Kris Janisch
5:56 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Wonder what the reaction would be if a gal invited a guy porn star...
Edward
6:25 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
We do have to cut young master Stone some slack. It's important to remember that a young man does not reach full maturity, in terms of brain development, until nearly 30 years of age. Women reach maturity much, much earlier. He is literally, mentally handicapped, as are the majority of males his age (there are a few exceptions, but these are maybe 2-3% of the male population). They just don't think like normal adults yet.
http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Boys_Girls/
Edward
6:32 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Ask Rush Limbaugh.
Susan
6:54 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Very interesting point, Kris. I think there would be a stronger reaction against, if this were a male. I know that's not PC, but I do think there would be a bigger uproar.
Randy Marsh
8:28 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Watch out Blacks, Jews, Gays and Scientologists, you might be next.
Jim
8:38 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Randy, that is a bit extreme. This discrimination based on a persons job not on a protected type of people.
Firefighters might be next, you know they also use a brass pole in their line of work.
Do you suppose any firefighters are attending the Tartan Prom? I'd say they best be quiet about their profession.
Randy Marsh
9:06 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
How about Catholics. We all know the church has been protecting child molesters for years, including a mass cover up that involved substantial payouts to the abused victims. I only wish the alleged adults who are outraged by this young man's date would spend as much time focused on all the drinking and drug use or the vast number of kids who will be doing what they consider unsavory acts off camera on prom night. I hope this kid sues the school district because I doubt very much Tartan has a legal leg to stand on. This is discrimination pure and simple. I believe the rights of Mr. Stone and Ms. Piper will prevail in this matter. Prom is a landmark event for kids and if he wants to throw in a loss of consortium argument I feel he will be entitled to a lot of money if the district doesn't relent and this ends up in the courts.
Simon D
12:09 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Richard, are you under the impression that all discrimination is prosecutable? The school is not banning the student from attending the prom. It is discriminating against the non-student guest. It is not an unalienable right for non-students to attend this prom. All non-student guests must get permission from the school district to attend this event. If the school was denying the student admission to the prom based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., then there would be grounds for prosecution. That is certainly not the case here.
Jim
10:25 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Simon,
Perhaps the discrimination in tis case could be based on sexual orientation?
Simon D
10:54 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Oops, meant as response to Randy, not Richard.
Patty Busse
10:35 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
I don't follow you, Jim. What orientation would that be?
Jim
11:03 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Patty, Clearly the outside guest is in the sex entertainment business. Perhaps there is a bias against her sexual orientation?
No such thing as a stupid question, only questions not asked.
Simon D
11:08 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Jim, an occupation is not a sexual orientation.
Jim
11:17 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Simon, an sex occupation CAN reflect a certian sexual orientation which might be objectionable to the Tartan management.
BTW, I have no knowledge of Megan's work and if this argument would apply in this situation or not. However lawyers may dig up this kind of evidence and use it to plaintifs advantage.
Simon D
12:18 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Jim, of course a sex occupation CAN reflect a sexual orientation, but that is not why she was denied a ticket. She was denied a ticket because of her occupation and her celebrity status. There are no legal protections for discrimination against celebrity status or occupation. If the school wants to exclude from this function actors, pilots, electricians, or any other individuals based on their occupation, no matter how unfair or unfounded it may be, it can do so if they feel it is in the best interest of the school. This woman was not excluded based on whether she prefers to have sex with men, women, or both. I can't imagine anyone in the approval process would have information on her orientation to make that kind of illegal discrimination.
Jim
12:33 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Simon says:
"I can't imagine anyone in the approval process would have information on her orientation to make that kind of illegal discrimination."
Thanks for admitting "that kind of illegal discrimination" is possible.
"Anyone in the approval process", would need access to the internet and the ability to type "megan piper" on google and click on "megan piper". They would have access to her sexual orientation, rather simple isn't it. And wouldn't anyone making the decision they made want to know all about Megan Piper in order to make the best defensible decision possible?
Susan
1:11 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
This was just discussed on The Talk, on abc. The term "social discrimination" was used.
Simon D
1:15 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Jim u r not understanding what the situation is here. You're confusing sexual orientation with sexual notoriety. There's no legal case here. I myself do not support the school's decision, but they certainly have the legal right to make it. It also makes me happy that an altenative prom is being organized and hope a great percentage of those students who also are dissatisfied with the school's decision will forego the school prom and attend the alternative. Thats the kind of action that will show the school that maybe this would have been in their best interest to begin with. Legal action would be a pointless waste of time and resources. I applaud all those responsible for organizing and supporting this other option and show the school that maybe there are repercussions for making unpopular decisions based on bias.
Jim
1:34 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
You have no way of knowing how this may play out in court, if it's litigated. Lawyers have a way of arguing every fact in a case and use any argument to persevere in court.
A lawyer will use available leverage and in this case sexual orientation MAY have been a factor in Tartan's decision.
The decision can be called anything to deflect attention from the real infraction, but professionals will not however be deflected.
Patty Busse
2:23 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Yes, Jim was right. Randy, feel free to repost without the "s" word if you would like.
Randy Marsh
2:32 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
What's wrong with slut? You can say it on TV and Patch has certainly used more graphic terms to describe sexual assaults are other such behavior in numerous stories. Or was it offensive because it was mentioned in relation to select Tartan students?
Jim
2:51 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Randy, there ya go a again.
The "S" word has fallen from the acceptable list, along with the "S" word we used to call snowmobile ski wear bars.
"Ho" is OK thou and used in all kinds of PC rap music etc. My first knowledgeof Ho was in the Military, took awhile to figure out what they were talking about. Also was called "Chuck" and "Whitey" which having grown up in Minnesota I had never heard before. I used to hear the phrase "Nasty Old Ho" a lot in the Army.
Patty Busse
2:43 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
It's a sexist term because it only applies to females. It carries a connotation that sexual promiscuity is less acceptable for females than males.
Richard
2:53 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
I'm surprised there hasn't been news of some publicity eager attorney taking this case on. I entirely agree with Jim on the fact that nobody knows what spin an attorney can put on it, or for that matter how the courts woud rule on it. I do believe that a good attorney could create enough doubt that the child would be able to get anl injunction prohibitting the school district from their actions. Then my guess woudl be the district would just entirely cancel the event, an ill consequence for all students. Lets throw another factor into it. On an ABC News post Mike Stone's mother indicates Mike has special needs. I am certain an attorney could generate a spin on that too.
Simon D
3:23 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Jim, one final attempt to get my point thru. Legal sexual orientation protections extend to someone based on their hetrosexual, homosexual, or bisexual tendencies. It does not extend legal protection from discrimination for other sexual matters, including promiscuity or public sex acts or anything else. I'll give an example. If an employer decides not to hire someone because they are homosexual, that is illegal discrimination. If that employer decides not to hire someone because they think they're a tramp, that does not rise to illegal discrimination. Its just bad judgement.
Jim
3:30 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
Simon, Is it possible the Tartan decision makers viewed some of Megan's material (on a non-district computer) and decided based on her sexual tendencies she was unfit to attend the Tartan prom.
Might as well end the exchange as it's going nowhere..
Stafford Christensen
12:29 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
The big question in this story for me is: How public are our public schools anyway?
Clearly the kid, his mother and his date have no problem with this voluntary prom night arrangement that does not affect the rights of others - so does the school, being a taxpayer-funded public school, have the authority to supersede it? Just how public are our public schools when a person can be barred from school events because of their profession and a parent's decision in their own child's affairs is overruled? Maybe the "public" schools are more private than they lead on; perhaps "public" schools should lose public funds if they are going to make private decisions?
Edward
7:34 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Schools make rulings all the time that libertarians don't like. They have to weigh the health and safety of all students.
There are many examples of public school rules that you might not like that run along the same lines as this decision -- students can't wear t-shirts with sexist or racist or other borderline comments on them, and the staff often has to "make the call" on the fly. At Anoka-Hennepin the teachers, previous to a recent and still controversial decision, couldn't talk about homosexuality to any student, and they couldn't step in to defend a student being bullied for his/her sexual orientation. This seems a bigger issue than whether or not an adult actress or celebrity, with no previous relationship to a student, is admitted to a prom at a school she never attended.
Just sayin' . . . public schools have to make the call on issues like this all the time. This one is actually small potatoes compared to other rulings they are forced to make for the greater good -- the safety/privacy of other students.
Susan
9:06 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
I wonder Renee, how would this affect the "health and safety" of those in attendance? Please don't misunderstand, I am still not convinced whether this is a good idea, I just question the school's reasoning, or right to stop it.
Edward
9:46 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
The media crush could be a problem . . . privacy of other students could be compromised (as I noted previously) . . . the school could not guarantee a safe and friendly environment for the other students, putting them in a position of higher liability.
By allowing this guest does the school condone pornography and promiscuity? Just as in Anoka-Hennepin, where the question was "does the school condone or promote homosexuality by allowing teachers to discuss it in the classroom or by allowing teachers to defend homosexual students when they are bullied?" There are members of the community (the religious right, for example) that will question whether the school is condoning promiscuous sexual behavior by allowing this date to attend the event.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is the same argument, and we live in a Christian community (like it or not).
The biggest argument that the school has is health and safety and privacy of other students, and I think it would hold up. In fact, Tartan stands on much firmer ground than Anoka-Hennepin did with their "sexual orientation neutrality" policy.
Susan
10:03 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
In my opinion, allowing someone to attend a dance, does not condone all behavior by said person.
I appreciate your point about the media, as I said above, it even made it on a national talk show yesterday. But I am not sure this will be a problem, if the media is kept off the property....will there be extra costs involved with this though? And who should have to pay those costs? If this were the case, I believe that those creating the fuss, should have to pay for the costs.
Certainly an interesting conversation.
I think, in regards to Anoka-Hennepin, your second statement about bullying, is the most important issue. Any student, bullied for any reason, must be defended.
Let's remember that religion is not supposed to be a part of our public schools....regardless of what the majority believes.
Edward
10:08 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
It's a public school (public property). Can they legally keep the media off the property? And the prom is at the Landmark center -- can media be kept out of that venue? Isn't it a public place, as in owned by City of St. Paul? Who pays for protection of the other students? St. Paul police department? What is the cost, the logistics (a nightmare for the school and other agencies?) and who pays?
Who is liable if another student is harmed (privacy, safety, etc) in some way? If the school does not act to prevent a known potential problem, what is their liability?
Good questions.
Susan
10:13 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
You're right, and I don't have all the answers either, but your arguments about the press, and be turned around and applied to the girl too. If it's a public event, why can't she attend....if the media can attend?
I think it could be worked out, if this "couple" took on the financial responsibility of the security. The school took the easy way out, and time will tell, if there will be ramifications.
Let's hope they have their own dance, and leave it at that.
Edward
10:18 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
It's hard to know what went on behind the scenes. It's possible that the increased costs (security) were discussed with the student, and his family decided they could not foot the bill. Who knows? I don't think the school (the taxpayers) should have to pick up the tab on something like this . . . just my two cents.
Susan
10:22 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Agreed.
If there is litigation though, there will be a cost for the school, and therefore, the taxpayers.
Edward
10:52 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Litigation won't happen. Does the young man want his legacy to be "the kid who sued the public school because he couldn't bring his adult actress date to prom"? Put that on your resume . . . NOT.
Susan
10:58 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
I wouldn't be so sure about a potential lawsuit. Although, to be honest, I am surprised we haven't yet heard anything about some attention seeking lawyer wanting to take this on pro bono.
The cat is out of the bag on this one. Potential employers can Google him, and there it will be.
Edward
11:06 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Pro bono isn't stepping up on this because they don't have a case. There is nothing actionable in this -- the school is on firm ground here.
Richard
10:25 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
At this point do you believe media isn't going to show up outside the Landmark Center regardless? They will be there, just in case, or even to get students side on the whole situation the night of the event. Maybe even have protesters there ... maybe local employees of other negatively viewed legal professions will show up to voice their disapproval of the districts decision... the district might have made a bigger media circus of this by disallowing it rather than allowing it. Not saying I disagree or agree with the decision. It was a tough decision and either way the decision went there were going to be ramifications.... and media will be outside regardless. I do believe they can be prevented from entering the event but I'd guess more security will now be required than before this ever came about.
Edward
10:45 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Unlikely. There's no story at the event itself if she doesn't show up. Westboro Baptist Church won't have an excuse to show up either.
Jim
12:08 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
"By allowing this guest does the school condone pornography and promiscuity?"
"It's a public school (public property). Can they legally keep the media off the property?"
So in order to really send a message against promiscuity, maybe There needs to be a "Virgin Check" at the door of the Tartan Prom? It's obvious what Megan Piper does in her line of work, is her behavior condoned by the school when students obviously engage in same behavior, an assumption on my part, heck even teachers are sexually active with students these days?
IF the school IS public property, no question there because it IS public property, does the school have the right to keep the date chosen a student off the property? The school is making decisions for an 18 year old student. Again a student who could enlist in the military and defend his right to choose a prom date before he turns 19, BTW he could die for his country.
Many questions on this subject, the district decides what to allow and not allow on district property even thou it's public property they MUST control what goes on there.
Growing up near North HS I used to shoot arrows near the school grounds. One arrow strayed onto school property and I was climbing over the fence when Walter Richardson, superintendant at the time, happened by. He listened to my story and had the gate unlocked. Walter was a good smart guy who understood what public property was. For public use!!
Edward
12:37 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Sure, teens at every high school in the nation (public and private) are having sex, doing drugs or alcohol, etc. The difference is that they won't bring the national press with them when they show up to prom, no matter what their private activities include. They won't create a safety or privacy issue for other students. This is indeed an unfortunate outcome of the way this young man recruited his date. Had he quietly hired a local prostitute there would be no problem, and quite frankly I don't think the school cares what line of work someone is in - their primary concern is safety and privacy of all students (the 500 other people at the prom).
So . . . your argument isn't valid. What other students do privately and discretely has no bearing on this case. It's a straw argument. If a teacher engages in sexual relations with a student the teacher will (when found out) be fired and prosecuted, as has happened when those cases arise. Those arguments aren't relevant here.
Jim
3:21 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Renee,
You are assuming safety or privacy of other students will be at risk if this porn star is allowed to attend prom.
I'll bet safety would not be an issue as any prom these days has ample security.
As far as privacy goes if the event has ample security there will be no privacy issues either.
Face it if there was any disturbance because of her attendance it would be quickly resolved and prom would go on.
As far as the porn start getting a lot of attention, why would that be. Everyone has seen photos of her, no big deal, Megan seems like a nice young lady, well as nice as young ladies come these days.
Comparing Megan to a 'tuit is way out of line. Megan might be a virgin, everyone knows 'tuits aren't. Many women have "worked" their way through college and are outstanding people. Megan may be one of those do you Renee know?
Tartan should have a policy on prom attendance so there is no question as to who can and cannot attend. At this point Tartan treats the decision making process like love, it's impossible to put a finger on it but they know it when they fall for it. NOT a professional way to run a railroad!
Susan
12:44 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Just to point out...being a porn star is legal, being a prostitute is not. Although, for the life of me, I cannot figure out the difference.
I agree that this will create a stir, but the question is, does the school have the right to stop this young man from bringing the date of his choice to the prom. I still think that the school should have made the offer to allow this, if the parties involved paid for the extra security, to protect all students in attendance. As Renee pointed out, we don't know if that was done, but I doubt it.
I still think it's a discrimination issue....but I am not a lawyer.
Simon D
1:37 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
I think its funny that people on here believe that because schools are publically funded that the public has a right to enter the school. Any non student or employee of the school must get permission and have cause to enter. Failure to do so could result in a tresspass violation. A notice of this is posted on the front door of every public school. This applies to after school activities and such, where permission to attend athletic events is implied for the public but the school still has the right to deny entry as it sees fit.
Susan
1:41 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Simon, I think the question may be in "as it sees fit". Again, this young man wants to bring a date to prom. This is kind of the point of the prom, isn't it?
Edward
4:35 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Jim,
I just snorted my coffee all over the screen.
A virgin porn star?
Jim
5:37 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Renee,
Do you think professional wrestlers are ever injured doing what they do?
When producing a film there are many instances where you you see is not what you get. What percentage of what comes from Hollywood is factual?
I'm glad I could bring some humor into your life.
Edward
5:47 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Jim,
I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Thanks for the entertaining posts.
Jim
11:19 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Why stop when on a roll?
There are some Hollywood productions that are real, Jude Judy and The Batchelor and Batchlorette. Other than those about everything else is made up artificial junk.
Pete
5:56 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
I have a daughter who is a Senior at Tartan, so I feel compelled to offer my opinion and relay what information I am getting from my daughter. While it might not be totally accurate, is has to be more accurate than most of the news stories.
My opinion is Mike’s parents should have acknowledged that their son had his 15 minutes of fame, but stop the whole fiasco right from the start by stating that their son made a mistake. I understand totally that Mike is a legal adult at 18, but as long as Mike is in high school and living in his parent’s house the parents are still allowed to be “parents” to Mike and help him to make the right decision. My daughter is also 18, and while she has several new “legal” rights, dad is still paying for the cell phone, food , lodging and letting her use a car. So while I don’t have the legal “right” to control my daughters actions, when she totally makes a stupid decision like Mike did I have enough “parental” or “economic” power to coerce her into making the right decision. It is called being a parent.
There has been this “Woe is Mike” attitude because all the Tartan girls he asked to Prom said no. And this is something new? Oh wait, when I went to high school 30 years ago, several girls said “no” to me back then. It doesn’t mean that the Tartan girls are mean, it just means that nobody wanted to go to Prom with Mike. It is called life, and 30 years from now the girls can still say no.
Pete
5:57 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
You are allowed to go to the Tartan Prom without a date. Many girls go to Prom as a group, and I imagine that there are going to be several boys who go as a group also. Mike always had the option of going to prom without a date.
While sanctioned by the school, the Prom is totally a self supported affair paid for by the tickets that are sold. So the whole idea of any extra "security" being needed was certainly not included when the Prom committee was figuring out their costs and how much to charge for tickets. So to incur extra expense for security, just so 1 student can bring a porn star, (that he has never even met), doesn't seem fair to me.
While it was the talk of Tartan last week, according to my daughter most kids are done talking about it and ready to get on with their life. There isn’t a huge groundswell of support for Mike or his “alternate Prom”. It was a fun break for the school, but most students don’t have much sympathy for either Mike or his “date”. To put it bluntly, she said most students didn’t even know who Mike was before this, so it is highly unlikely that too many students will be going to his “porn prom”. If this is wrong please correct me.
Jim
6:29 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Pete,
"While it was the talk of Tartan last week, according to my daughter most kids are done talking about it and ready to get on with their life."
This statement is what would have happened if the District had simply allowed the date to occur. This "porn star" is just another 21st century product of our liberal society. Be carefull what you ask for because you might just get it.
Seems to me Mike has been bullied by the school that is supposed to protect him.
Richard
11:57 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012
One point mentioned in this but not discussed alot is the fact that the school does have process to request attendnace of non-student guests. What I'm curious about is has the school ever in the past denied admittance? Does this request require listing of occupation? Does the school actually perform background checks on each and every non-student? Background checks are performed on coaches, etc involved with school to ensure student safety, and there is a cost of that which is paid by the applicant. We talk about this as process to ensure student safety. I would bet detailed background checks are not done on all non-student requests, and I bet information required to be provided is minimal. Yes a process is in place but I would venture the process is not thorough in screening non-student attendees. I would bet you that had this news not broke making the school aware of her background she would have been allowed to attend as the screening process would have never caught it. If you deny admittance on premise that you are doing so to ensure student safety then your process of ensuring it for all requested non-student attendees had better be strong and you better be able to prove it actually works. If I were a parent of student might want to ask about that. I think you would be surprised as to what you find.
Jim
12:30 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
You are 100% correct.
The process should be well defined identifying exactlly who will be excluded from attendance. I suppose a crimminal background check on minors won't reveal anything because their records are not available. However those over 18 would reveal crimes commited and may be a good reason to exclude them from attendance.
In this case the young lady involved would state her profession as simply Actress. Why would a persons profession matter when attending a HS prom. I'd be more concerned about a 19 year old who has no profession than someone who is an actress.
As some say: "Who Made Tartan God?"
Jim
10:49 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
This event was used for humor by Leno. He said the case was different in that in a normal prom the boy takes a girl to prom and attempts to make her into a porn star not the other way around.
Susan
10:55 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
On another show, I heard the comment "aren't we all porn stars on prom night?".
Jim
3:36 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Susan, the funny aspect of the situation is the real porn star in all likelyhood in this case probably would NOT have performed as everyone would have expected, including the boy in this case.
And yet how many DO perform like a porn star after prom, as you indicate?
Note: I leave out any reference to gender on purpose.
When ya think about it the situation is kinda funny, as in LOL.